• Antigua Winds Model SS4290RLQ 'Powerbell' Soprano Saxophone BRAND NEW! Keilwerth SX90 II soprano sax, 5-digit serial number. Excellent condition! $95.00 shipping. VINTAGE 1972 SELMER PARIS MARK VI PROFESSIONAL SOPRANO SAXOPHONE SERIAL # 199697. $80.99 shipping.
• Many companies make other instruments, not just saxophones and the serial numbers are spread over their entire range. So saxophones may not be numbered sequentially. Serial numbers can be used to identify supposedly “better” instruments. It is sometimes (possible erroneously) supposed that five digit MKVIs are the best.

Can anyone provide me with any info on an Antigua Winds Alto with serial number 960XXXX? Thanks!

I have a curved Antigua Winds soprano saxophone but I can't seem to be able to work out it's model number. It has no F# Key, and there is the number 5808 engraved under the right-hand thumb hook.

In order to tell you anything about this sax we'll need some photos AND very importantly the model name and/or number. Antigua makes a variety of saxes. Many are student models and worth quite little, but others are regarded more highly and can be worth quite a bit more.

My understanding is that Antigua modeled their saxes as a copy of Yanagisawa saxes, and Yanagisawa modeled their saxes originally as copies of Selmer Paris saxes. So Antigua design is basically a copy of a copy.

They didn't get in legal trouble for this though, like Yanagisawa did for making saxes that were too close to the real thing.

Okay. I just wondered if that is a legit Antigua serial number and where it would have been made.

The 500 series such as the 582, 586, 590 etc. (with serial number beginning with 'YS' ) are the only ones that are CAD copies of Yanagisawa horns. And in those cases it is for the soprano models only.

Those models, and the newly renamed incarnations currently being sold by them such as the SS3282, are the ones to get. Earlier models are approximations of the Selmer SA series, and not considered as good.

They are still made in Taiwan.

Antigua Winds Soprano Saxophone

So you would recommend that I should also avoid the LA001XXXX serials also?

Yes. These are earlier models, and do not share the same designs and quality of the more recent offerings.

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→ Full Kohlert serial number chart available. Click here to view.

German saxophone manufacturers are a bit difficult to learn about, primarily because a lot of the documentation has been destroyed either in the manufacturer's move from one part of Germany to another or in the WWII and the conversion of many of the music instrument factories over to producing war material.

This brings us to Kohlert.

A brief digression: Kohlert is NOT Köhler. Köhler was founded in Markneukirchen, Germany in 1933 by Franz Köhler. They stopped producing instruments around 1961.¹

However, while the Köhler example I've seen does not look like a Keilwerth or Kohlert design, yes, there's always the possibility that Köhler did stencil some horns from either Keilwerth or Kohlert.

The similarity in names and similarity in the saxophone designs from Kohlert and Köhler throws most folks for a considerable loop. The similarity in design is not because they shared a common ancestor, but more rather because company X would produce a good design and then everyone else would copy it (this tidbit of information popped up numerous times while I researched Kohlert and Keilwerth). Matters grew more complicated after Keilwerth began producing saxophones in 1925/6: not only did Keilwerth produce stencils of their horns (of which, they branded at least one Kohlert model), but they furnished saxophone bodies to a variety of other German and Czech manufacturers which would affix their own keywork and sell the horn under a different name - sometimes with no trace of the Keilwerth mark on the horn.

However, Kohlert IS 'Vincenta (or 'V.' or 'Vizenze' or several other variants) Kohlerta Synov%uFFFD Kraslice'. This is the Czech form of Kohlert's name. There are other Anglicized/Germanized variants of the VKS label (e.g. 'V. Kohlert's Sons'), but some variant of 'Kohlert' is always listed.

Timeline

• 1840: The Kohlert Company was founded in Graslitz, Czechoslovakia by Vincenz Ferarius Kohlert². However, he did not produce any saxophones.
• 1900/01: V.F. Kohlert dies and the ownership of the Kohlert Company is transferred to his sons, Rudolf, Daniel and Franz ³ and the company's name is changed to 'V. Kohlert's Sohne'. Kohlert produces the first German-made saxophone around this time ⁴.
• 1910-1916 (Approximately): Kohlert stencils saxophones for HN White (King) in the USA ⁵.
• 1914-1925 (Approximately): Julius Keilwerth apprentices at the Kohlert company. It is arguable if Keilwerth influences Kohlert's designs more or vice versa ⁶.
• 1938 (Approximately): Kohlert has become the largest German instrument maker, employing 600 craftsmen and producing an entire range of brass, woodwind and double-reed instruments ⁷ . Keilwerth is a distant second with 150 craftsmen and producing only saxophones.
• 1939-1945 (Approximately): WWII. Kohlert produced relatively few instruments during this time, as production was limited by the conversion of most factories to producing war materiel and the Nazi original disgust of all things Western, especially jazz. There was some limited production and some horns produced during WWII are labeled 'Reich' and are quite elaborately engraved - with Nazi regalia.
• 1945-1947: After WWII, the firm was 'nationalized' into the Amati cooperative ⁸ (Amati's website says the cooperative was founded in 1945 and was fully 'nationalized' by 1948 ⁹ ) and the Kohlerts became workmen in their own factory, similar to what happened with the Keilwerth family. According to the Lein article, the Kohlert family was no longer even allowed to put their stamp on their instruments ¹⁰.

  It's an unconfirmed fact that Amati used Kohlert and Keilwerth tooling in their first horns, rather than producing anything new: the first Amatis were labeled 'Toneking' - a Keilwerth model name - and had the Keilwerth 'Best in the World' logo stamped on the back. Some even used the Keilwerth serial number chart!

  I'm not quite sure if Amati just decided to use Keilwerth saxophones as their template for future models, but the 'second generation' of Amati horns, such as the 'Classic Super' is fairly reminiscent of Kohlert, not Keilwerth, designs.

• 1948: The 'last' generation of the Kohlerts migrated ('evacuated' would be more accurate, according to the Lein article) to West Germany: Max Kohlert, an instrument maker, died in 1949. Kurt Kohlert, a businessman, died in 1973. Ernst Kohlert, a musician, died in 1986 or '87. None of the three brothers ever married.

  After arriving in the West, Ernst worked for a short while with instrument makers near F%uFFFDrth. Shortly thereafter, the city of Winnenden provided the brothers with a former barracks (actually a wooden house) in which to establish a new workshop ¹¹ .

• 1948/49: About forty people were employed in the Winnenden factory. At first, they only repaired instruments, mainly for the American army ¹² , but resumed instrument production began in the fall of 1949 with saxophones. A new serial number chart was instituted, starting at zero ¹³ and the 'V. Kohlert's S%uFFFDhne' mark was dropped in favor of just 'Kohlert'.

  Cybersax.com and a few miscellaneous newsgroup/forum posts also indicate that there was a Kohlert model that had beveled tone holes, like the Martin and early Couesnon horns . Considering this design is a radical departure from the standard Kohlert designs AND because Keilwerth also produced a similar design right after they fled Czechoslovakia, it's possible that either this 'new' model is either a Keilwerth design or could have been jointly developed between the two companies (there is a suggestion that the bodies were imported from the Martin company, but that's a bit of a stretch and there's nothing to corroborate this suggestion).

• 1953/54: Kohlert employed around 100 people from 1953 to 1954, with about seventy working in the 'barracks' and another thirty working at home ¹⁴ . These 'home workers' had small shops in their homes and would receive the materials, complete their part of the assembly process and return them. Several craftsmen only made saxophone bodies and even the bells and necks were made in Winnenden [sic]. The Kohlerts also employed four tool-makers whose job it was to make the tools and apparati used in the factory according to the designs and needs of the instrument makers. Thus everything was done 'in house' with specially crafted tools ¹⁵ .
• 1955-1965: The two remaining Kohlert brothers, Kurt and Ernst, entered into contracts with American wholesalers ¹⁶ which guaranteed that the Kohlerts would supply instruments at the same price for ten years ¹⁷ . What the brothers didn't foresee was the onset of the 'Deutsche Wirtschaftswunder,' or 'German economic miracle', when the materials costs and wages rose dramatically. At this point they couldn't get out of these long-term commitments -- the penalty for breach of contract was severe.

  Instead of specializing on a single instrument, like the Julius Keilwerth company, Kohlert continued to make the whole range of instruments - and, so the profit margin kept shrinking. Realizing they couldn't continue in this manner, Kohlert tried to cut labor costs by minimizing handwork and started mass-producing hundreds of parts. This idea didn't work and left Kohlert with a financial situation which required declaring bankruptcy in 1965 ¹⁸ .

• 1966: About twenty employees continued producing instruments to meet bankruptcy obligations. Serial numbers stood at about 85,000 at the time of the bankruptcy.
• 1967: Fritz Pfannenschwarz, an industrialist from Nordheim who was interested in music as a hobby, came to Kohlert to buy a bass clarinet and was told that nothing could be sold without consulting the administrator of the bankrupt estate. He asked the price of the bankrupt firm, was told 40,000 DM and subsequently bought it. Although plans had already been drawn for a new factory, nothing had come of them and work continued in the 'barracks'. Later Pfannenschwarz moved final assembly operations and sales to Nordheim, concentrating on flutes, saxophones and clarinets ¹⁹ .
• 1977 (Approximately): The final line of Kohlert saxophones was discontinued and the final model name list was Popular, Regent, Star and Excelsior ²⁰ . The best of these horns was and is considered to be fairly low quality.
• 1981-1983: Albert Moosmann, once an apprentice in the firm, his son Bernd and another partner purchased the remains of Kohlert in Winnenden. Today the name 'Bernd Moosmann' appears on the bassoons, which is what Kohlert now specializes in ²¹

Errata

• Contrary to some Internet forums and newsgroups, I see no relation between SML and Kohlert. The connection that people use between the two companies is that both used rolled tone holes and that some Kohlert models are said to have the 'switchable' articulated G# key. Literally dozens of companies used rolled tone holes and Leblanc/Beaugnier/Vito used the switchable G#, too, and none of these have any connection to SML. Additionally, I can't really see a French manufacturer cooperating that closely with a German manufacturer around WWII (SML was founded in the late 1930's).

• There has been a lot of discussion about the Kohlert model that has the fancy little letter keyguards. First of all, the letters are 'VKS', not 'JSK', and it probably stands for 'V. Kohlert's S%uFFFDhne'. The 'JSK', in this interpretation, is expanded to mean 'Julius S. Keilwerth'. I've not found any documentation that even says that Julius' middle name started with an 'S' and the mark on Keilwerth horns is 'JGK: The best in the world.'

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